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		<title>By: rakkasan</title>
		<link>http://oakes.hoppress.com/2009/10/28/worst-swill-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>rakkasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot....when I was stationed in Egypt the swill called Stella was some pretty rancid mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot&#8230;.when I was stationed in Egypt the swill called Stella was some pretty rancid mess.</p>
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		<title>By: rakkasan</title>
		<link>http://oakes.hoppress.com/2009/10/28/worst-swill-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>rakkasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maverick: ...and Moretti - Peroni are the &quot;good&quot; beers, try Dreher, Von wurster, Forst, and Splugen (don&#039;t you just love the catchy german names)for a real swill rush.....although Moretti does save itself a bit with &quot;La Rossa&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maverick: &#8230;and Moretti &#8211; Peroni are the &#8220;good&#8221; beers, try Dreher, Von wurster, Forst, and Splugen (don&#8217;t you just love the catchy german names)for a real swill rush&#8230;..although Moretti does save itself a bit with &#8220;La Rossa&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maverick 34</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maverick 34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spain and Italy deserve mention here as well. Moretti, Estrella, Cruzcampo, Peroni, Mahou - all big market, and all nasty.

Shout out to you too, Argentina/Quilmes.  German immigrants eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain and Italy deserve mention here as well. Moretti, Estrella, Cruzcampo, Peroni, Mahou &#8211; all big market, and all nasty.</p>
<p>Shout out to you too, Argentina/Quilmes.  German immigrants eh?</p>
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		<title>By: tnkw01</title>
		<link>http://oakes.hoppress.com/2009/10/28/worst-swill-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>tnkw01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the Germans who drink this &quot;Beer-Cola&quot; crap are of the younger generation, or are not actual native Germans. Most (not all) of the older more traditional Germans still like a good pilsner or lager (usually served a little warmer then Americans like it). Anyway, it was a great observation and it appeared to stimulate a rather spirited debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the Germans who drink this &#8220;Beer-Cola&#8221; crap are of the younger generation, or are not actual native Germans. Most (not all) of the older more traditional Germans still like a good pilsner or lager (usually served a little warmer then Americans like it). Anyway, it was a great observation and it appeared to stimulate a rather spirited debate.</p>
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		<title>By: beerrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>beerrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ oakes: I&#039;m pretty sure this is not just a German phenomenon. Poland has Karmi Malínowa Pasja which is sweetened with raspberry syrup, or a Belgian example, Früli Strawberry Beer. I might be wrong on the Früli, but I believe the strawberry juice and sugar are added after the beer is brewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ oakes: I&#8217;m pretty sure this is not just a German phenomenon. Poland has Karmi Malínowa Pasja which is sweetened with raspberry syrup, or a Belgian example, Früli Strawberry Beer. I might be wrong on the Früli, but I believe the strawberry juice and sugar are added after the beer is brewed.</p>
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		<title>By: beershine</title>
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		<dc:creator>beershine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Julienhuxley (yes please!) &amp; Beerlando, I imagine he didn&#039;t mention turkey because Efes and other Turk swill is no worse than the low-grade stuff from any other country. Lots of places have swills and Tequila beers too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Julienhuxley (yes please!) &amp; Beerlando, I imagine he didn&#8217;t mention turkey because Efes and other Turk swill is no worse than the low-grade stuff from any other country. Lots of places have swills and Tequila beers too!</p>
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		<title>By: Beerlando</title>
		<link>http://oakes.hoppress.com/2009/10/28/worst-swill-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Oakes.  That was a fun read.  I agree with Julienhuxley, though.  I&#039;m surprised that Turkey did not get a mention, considering the amount of time you recently spent there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Oakes.  That was a fun read.  I agree with Julienhuxley, though.  I&#8217;m surprised that Turkey did not get a mention, considering the amount of time you recently spent there.</p>
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		<title>By: jamespgentry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the argument between @sound67 and @oakes. 

There is an indisputable difference between making a beer, then putting adjuncts like cola, tang, or kook-aid in it; and brewing a beer who&#039;s process includes the addition of fruit.

The German &quot;beers&quot; in question, by virtue of the Reinheitsgebot, are NOT BEER. The German beverage is beer, with stuff put in it, thereby nullifying it&#039;s status as &quot;beer&quot;. Lambics, Krieks, et al, are beers who&#039;s brewing process allows the addition of fruit (an organic, raw, product unlike coca-fucking-cola) as an ingredient to be as essential to the brewing process as hops, barley, and yeast. 

Putting cola in your beer is like putting ranch on your carrot sticks: you&#039;re making the good stuff tolerable to the philistines by covering it in crap. These beers are a by-product of the modernization, consolidation, and corporatization of the beer industry. Cultural tastes aside, it&#039;s disgusting really, and indicative of the lack of concern for quality and greed for profit that so many of these companies lust for. Then again, the Germans just might really need to get chicks and Jr. High Schoolers drunk. 

On the other hand, folks have been brewing with fruit since beer was invented. Fruit ferments in the natural world and animals eat it to get drunk! For reals! I don&#039;t see animals lapping up fermented high fructose corn syrup. 

If you truly cannot see the difference between the two then it is you who are in fact narrow minded. Beer + cola = shit. Beer brewed with fruit = awesome. 

The only anal fixation I&#039;ve seen is one&#039;s penchant for being a name caller. You need to lay off the &#039;roids bro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the argument between @sound67 and @oakes. </p>
<p>There is an indisputable difference between making a beer, then putting adjuncts like cola, tang, or kook-aid in it; and brewing a beer who&#8217;s process includes the addition of fruit.</p>
<p>The German &#8220;beers&#8221; in question, by virtue of the Reinheitsgebot, are NOT BEER. The German beverage is beer, with stuff put in it, thereby nullifying it&#8217;s status as &#8220;beer&#8221;. Lambics, Krieks, et al, are beers who&#8217;s brewing process allows the addition of fruit (an organic, raw, product unlike coca-fucking-cola) as an ingredient to be as essential to the brewing process as hops, barley, and yeast. </p>
<p>Putting cola in your beer is like putting ranch on your carrot sticks: you&#8217;re making the good stuff tolerable to the philistines by covering it in crap. These beers are a by-product of the modernization, consolidation, and corporatization of the beer industry. Cultural tastes aside, it&#8217;s disgusting really, and indicative of the lack of concern for quality and greed for profit that so many of these companies lust for. Then again, the Germans just might really need to get chicks and Jr. High Schoolers drunk. </p>
<p>On the other hand, folks have been brewing with fruit since beer was invented. Fruit ferments in the natural world and animals eat it to get drunk! For reals! I don&#8217;t see animals lapping up fermented high fructose corn syrup. </p>
<p>If you truly cannot see the difference between the two then it is you who are in fact narrow minded. Beer + cola = shit. Beer brewed with fruit = awesome. </p>
<p>The only anal fixation I&#8217;ve seen is one&#8217;s penchant for being a name caller. You need to lay off the &#8216;roids bro.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sound67: You need to do some more research on those terms you are using.

&quot;Kriek&quot; spans a wide range of things, from authentic very sour kriek steeped for months in real cherries to sweet kriek made with cherry juice and sugar.

A &quot;Berliner Weisse&quot; in itself is a rather sour wheat beer. It is customary to drink it with added raspberry or woodruff syrup but in stores the beer is also sold unmixed by itself.

As a German, I fully agree with oakes&#039; assessment. We laugh at the Belgians for drinking sweet fruit beers while Cola-beers like &quot;Mixery&quot; are extremely popular here. Total hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sound67: You need to do some more research on those terms you are using.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kriek&#8221; spans a wide range of things, from authentic very sour kriek steeped for months in real cherries to sweet kriek made with cherry juice and sugar.</p>
<p>A &#8220;Berliner Weisse&#8221; in itself is a rather sour wheat beer. It is customary to drink it with added raspberry or woodruff syrup but in stores the beer is also sold unmixed by itself.</p>
<p>As a German, I fully agree with oakes&#8217; assessment. We laugh at the Belgians for drinking sweet fruit beers while Cola-beers like &#8220;Mixery&#8221; are extremely popular here. Total hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: sound67</title>
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		<dc:creator>sound67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you&#039;re a narrow-minded, intolerant little mouse. Of course it&#039;s the same - those &quot;kriek&quot; and &quot;extreme kriek&quot; fruit beers, they&#039;re no different than &quot;Berliner Weisse&quot; or &quot;Banana Weizen&quot; - I don&#039;t like either, but your anal fixation on the German beer industry to criticize is just stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you&#8217;re a narrow-minded, intolerant little mouse. Of course it&#8217;s the same &#8211; those &#8220;kriek&#8221; and &#8220;extreme kriek&#8221; fruit beers, they&#8217;re no different than &#8220;Berliner Weisse&#8221; or &#8220;Banana Weizen&#8221; &#8211; I don&#8217;t like either, but your anal fixation on the German beer industry to criticize is just stupid.</p>
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